Wednesday, May 18, 2011

"Chemicals Come From Life" 74/02/19 Bombay, Bhagavad-gita 7.4


Prabhupada: Is it ?

Devotee: No.

Pradyumna: "Vayuh... (leads chanting, etc.) Translation: "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego -- altogether these eight comprise My separated material energies."


bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh
kham mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam me
bhinna prakrtir astadha

Prakrti means energy. So, because we are in the material world, our material science is simply studying the material energy of Krsna. Physical, chemical, light, sound, these are the subject matter of the scientists to understand. But they do not know wherefrom these material elements come.

In the Srimad-Bhagavatam or in the Vedic literature it is said that the material energy came out of the breathing of the Supreme Lord, Maha-Visnu.

yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya
jivanti loma-vilaja jagad-anda-nathah
visnur-mahan sa iha yasya kala-viseso
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
[Bs. 5.48]

The material energy is coming through the breathing of Maha-Visnu, who is lying down in the Karana, Causal Ocean. So, from the breathing there is sound. From the ether, the sound comes -- this is scientific -- and from the sound, the air comes, the fire comes, then water comes, then the earth comes. The earth is the last, gross element in the material science. Therefore Krsna says this earth, bhumi... Bhumi, earth, has come out of water, apah. And wherefrom apah, water, has come? Analah, fire. Wherefrom fire has come? From air. Where the air has come? Ether, sky. Wherefrom the ether has come? False ego. Where from it has come? Mind. Wherefrom it has come? Intelligence. And wherefrom it has come? From the soul. This is the scientific study. But they do not know background of the soul. They're thinking, "There was a chunk and there was something. That's all. Perhaps, it may be." No definite knowledge. But here you can take the definite knowledge, wherefrom these material elements come. This Krsna is the Supreme Soul.

So from the Supreme Soul all these material elements have come. Just like your body. Wherefrom it has come? It has come from the soul. In the sastra it is said, karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapatti [SB 3.31.1]. Jantu. Jantu means living entity, jan word(?), jantu. So jantur deha-upapatti. There... The atheist theory that combination of matter makes a situation when living symptoms come out, combination of matter, that is the present chemical theory, chemical evolution. There are so many theories based on Darwin's theory, chemical evolution. Recently, when I was in Los Angeles, one German scientist came there. He has written one book, Chemical Evolution, and he has got Nobel Prize. Now he's touring for lecturing on his theory. So in the California university there is our student, Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He's my disciple. He's doctor in chemistry. So, when this German chemist was lecturing, theorizing that life has come from chemicals, so he put the question that "Suppose if I give you these chemicals, whether you can prepare a life?" He answered in the meeting, "That I cannot say." That means he's not certain; still, he's theorizing, that from chemical, life has come. No, from chemical, life has not come; from life, chemical has come. This is real theory.

So these things are discussed very broadly in our American centers, so we stick to the point that life does not come from chemical, but chemical comes from life. So I gave one crude example. Just like a tree. It is also life, because there are different forms of life, 8,400,000 forms of life. So a tree also, another form of life. One who knows what is the condition of life, pandita, learned, sama-darsinah.

brahmane gavi hastini
suni caiva sva-pake ca
panditah sama-darsinah
[Bg. 5.18]

Pandita, who knows what is what, he is sama-darsi, equipoised. He knows that the substance within the tree or substance with the dog or substance with the human being or substance within the brahmana or a sudra or a dog or a candala -- the soul is the same. Therefore, he sees everyone, sama-darsinah. Panditah sama-darsinah [Bg. 5.18]. He does not distinguish between man and animal or tree. Because he knows that the living force is the same, spiritual quality that is the fragmental portion of the supreme soul, Krsna. So we can understand, if we are little sober, how material things come out.

Now, we understand from sastra that after sex between man and woman, the matter is emulsified and creates a situation wherein the living entity takes shelter. Karmana daiva-netrena. So, living entity, every one of us, dehantara-praptih, we shall get another body. So what kind of body we shall get? That is karmana daiva-netrena. That will be judged by higher authorities according to our karma. If we have done work like human being, then further promotion will be given.

urdhvam gacchanti sattva-stha
madhye tisthanti rajasah
adho gacchanti tamasah
[Bg. 14.18]

There are three qualities of the material nature. One who is associating with the modes of goodness, they're being promoted to the higher planetary system. Those who are associating with the modes of passion, they will remain within this middle planetary system. And jaghanya-guna-vrtti-sthah, those who are most abominable, acting most abominably, jaghanya-guna, adho gacchanti. This is confirmation. Adho gacchanti: "Goes down," to the animal kingdom, to the beast, birds, reptiles, snakes so many things. There are eight millions forms. It is daivena, daiva-netrena. Netrena means "by supervision." Background of the supervision is Krsna. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate ca-caracaram [Bg. 9.10]. They are absolute.

In the Bhagavad-gita, in another place, it is said that upadrasta anumanta. The Supersoul, soul and Supersoul... There are two souls: the supreme soul and the subordinate soul within the body. So what we are doing, subordinate soul... The supreme soul or the Supersoul, who is also sitting with me within the heart, He is upadrasta anumanta. He's simply seeing. And anumanta means without His sanction we cannot do anything. Sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah. Everyone has got experience. When we want to do something wrong, there is conscience: "Don't do it." "No, no, let me do." There is struggle. So this is the struggle between the soul and the Supersoul. But when you're persistent, that "I must do it," then the Supersoul orders, "All right, you can do at your own risk." That is called karma-phala. We have become subjected to the resultant action of our karma. That is called karmana. By the activities, daiva-netrena, by the superior authorities' superintendence, daiva-netrena, jantur deha-upapatti, the living entity gets a type of body. What is this body? The five elements, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca. Eight elements. Earth, water, fire, air, and sky, the mind, intelligence and ego. Ego, false ego. The false ego is that "I am this body." Ahankara. Ahankara: "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim." These are all false ahankara. Neither I am Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian nor American nor Indian. I am living entity.

mamaivamso jiva-loke
jiva-bhutah sanatanah
manah sasthanindriyani
prakrti-sthani karsati
[Bg. 15.7]

Krsna says that "All these living entities, they are My part and parcel, but they are struggling hard against these material laws." Manah sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati [Bg. 15.7]. By mental concoction he's creating a situation and he's getting that type of body. Otherwise, why there are so many varieties of body? These are the creation of our mental concoction: "I shall do that, I shall do that, I shall do this, I shall do this." So this is daiva-netrena. He gets daiva-netrena, by superior... Just like a child insists upon doing something. The father says, "All right, do it. I don't mind." He says, "Don't do it," but he persists, "I must do." "All right, do it." There are many examples.

So there is soul and there is the gross material body and there is the subtle material body. The soul is the basic principle, but to get a body, as I have already explained, the secretion discharged by the father and the mother, they mix up, they are emulsified and forms in the body of a pea. And the soul comes through the semina of the father and he's situated there. Then the body develops. Now, just try to understand. Because the spirit soul is there, therefore matter is developing. If the soul is not there, if the child is dead, no more development. No more development. No dead child develops a body. Everyone knows. Therefore these material elements come from the spirit soul, not that spirit soul comes from the material elements. This is not. This is wrong theory. If it comes from the material combination, then why you cannot produce a living entity in the laboratory? In the laboratory, no, that is not... A material... Because... Material creation is there because I wanted a, such a circumstances, atmosphere, and anumanta, the Supreme Lord, He's the supreme sanction giver -- He gives me opportunity to enter into a certain type of mother's body, and the material grows.

So the actual fact is from spirit soul, the energy, material energy comes out. Take for example... That I was giving, that chemicals. Now, take one lemon tree. It is a living entity, and it is producing at least hundreds of pounds of citric acid, lemons. Everyone knows. You take fifty lemons today, again take fifty lemons, and if you extract the lemons, you'll find extensive quantity of citric acid. So wherefrom the citric acid chemical comes? Because the living entity's there in the tree. Therefore the conclusion should be the chemicals come from life; life does not come from chemical. If life comes from chemical, then you produce. I give you the chemical, whatever chemicals you want. So chemical is produced. Just like you have got experience when there is perspiration. You taste the perspiration; there is salt. Wherefrom the salt comes? Salt is... what is the chemical name? Sodium carbonate, no?

Devotee: Chloride.

Prabhupada: Sodium chloride. Sodium chloride. So sodium chloride, wherefrom it comes? It comes from your body, and body comes from the soul. Therefore the original cause of sodium chloride is the soul. So as you can analyze a little quantity of chemicals from your body, from tree's body, from any body, so you just imagine the unlimited body, gigantic body of Krsna, virat-purusa, how much chemical it can produce. Therefore, don't take it that this is all imagination. Krsna says,

bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh
kham mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam me
bhinna prakrtir astadha

"These eight kinds of materials, gross and subtle, they are My energy." It is coming from Krsna. Krsna is not talking any nonsense. He's not bluffing you. At least those who are advanced, why you are reading Bhagavad-gita? Because it is authoritative; Krsna is speaking. That is fact. The most exalted authority. We have to take knowledge from the authority; we cannot manufacture knowledge. That is not... That is imperfect knowledge, because our senses are imperfect.

We have got four deficiencies. We commit mistakes, we become illusioned... We commit mistake, everyone knows. I have several times talked that even a personality like Gandhi, he committed so many mistakes. So, so long you are conditioned by the material nature, you must commit mistake. There is no escape. Similarly, we are illusioned. Illusioned means we accept something for something. Just like you are accepting this body -- "I am American," "I am Indian" -- but I am neither American nor Indian; I am spirit soul. This is called illusion. Bhrama, pramada, and vipralambha. Vipralambha means the propensity for cheating others. I do not know exactly what is the cause of life; still, I am theorizing in so many ways. And when I am challenged by other person that "Can you produce, with chemical, life?" "That I cannot say." Then why you are talking nonsense? This is cheating. If you are actually in knowledge that from chemical, life can be produced, then you produce it. I give you chemicals. But when you cannot do, why you are cheating people? But this cheating propensity is there. One is a nonsense number one, but he speaks. "Devils cite scripture." That we do not accept. Our Krsna consciousness movement does not accept the scripture cited by the Devil. Therefore we have accepted Krsna, sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1]. Whatever He says, we accept. We are not perfect, our senses are not perfect, we are fool number one, but the knowledge which we accept, that is perfect. That is Krsna consciousness.

Therefore, whatever we speak, we do not speak anything which Krsna does not speak. That is our quality. I have several times, I was eulogized by many persons, "Swamiji, you have done wonderful." So I say that I am not a wonderful man. I simply follow Krsna. What Krsna says, I repeat, like parrot. That's all. I have no knowledge. But Krsna says that "This is this." I accept it. And then that will be... That we shall be benefited. Just like a child. If he accepts the instruction of the parents, he gets knowledge. Parent will not cheat. If a child does not know a small watch, he asks, "Father, what is this?" Father can explain, "My dear child, this is called watch. You can see time, what is the time now." That is perfect knowledge. So that knowledge is perfect. Therefore in the beginning of this chapter and in the Fourth Chapter we said, evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. If we get knowledge by the pure parampara system, pure disciplic succession, that knowledge is perfect. Then our life is perfect. And if we want to try to expound knowledge by our limited power, that is imperfect knowledge. That knowledge is not perfect. That is concoction. If you want to take perfect knowledge, then you must get from the authorities. Evam parampara. That is Vedic knowledge.

tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet
samit-panih srotriyam brahma-nistham
[MU 1.2.12]

One must go to the guru. And who is guru? Guru, srotriyam brahma-nistham -- "One who has heard from the parampara system and he has become completely convinced in the understanding of Brahman."

So, so this is the process. This bhumir apah, this material, it is not a fact. People are so much attached to this material world. That is called ignorance. Mudha. They are called mudha. Mayayapahrta-jnanah. Their knowledge has been taken away. These things will be explained in the later verses, that do not try to take knowledge from imperfect person; take knowledge from the perfect person, perfect Supreme Personality. Who is perfect? God is perfect. And who carries the word of God, he is perfect. This is the definition of perfection. So Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh. Matter is produced by Krsna's energy. It is not automatically produced. Just like I have given the example that this body, this material gross body, is produced out of the soul which is put into the womb of the mother by the semina of the father. These are... These descriptions are there in the Third Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, very nicely, you consult.

So that knowledge is perfect because experimentally... Science means observation and experiment. If you are observing something, then you must experiment. Jnanam vijnanam. In the previous verses we have already studied that jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam. Jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam. Theoretical knowledge, that is observation. And sa-vijnanam means experiment. If you say, if you have observed that life is produced of chemical, then make experiment. Then it is science; otherwise it is hodge-podge. It has no meaning. Life is never produced of matter; matter is produced out of life. This is the... Therefore we are fragmental matter, life. We living entities, small portion, very small portion. That is also given in the sastras: kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madya 19.140]. One ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair, that is the magnitude of soul.

satadha kalpitasya ca
jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah
sa canantyaya kalpate
[Cc. Madya 19.140]

That jiva, ananta, unlimited. That is our magnitude. They cannot find out one ten-thousandth part of the upper portion of the hair. There is no machine, no microscope which. Therefore these foolish people, because they cannot see the dimension, length and breadth, of the soul, they say the soul is nirakara. It is not nirakara. It has akara, but you cannot see with the blunt eyes. "Then how can I understand?" Srotriyam brahma-nistham, tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. You have to learn by hearing. There is no other process. The Vedas says, the sastra says, "This is the magnitude of the soul." You have to take it. Then you will understand. Otherwise, by so-called experiment, you have neither instrument nor facility to make, find out. The first-class medical man or physiologist, find out where is the soul in this body. But they cannot. They have no such power, but there is something which, being absent, the body is dead. That is a fact. That is a fact. Tatha dehantara-praptih. That... Because that soul has gone out of this body, therefore the body is now dead. Tatha dehantara-praptih. Therefore it is authority.

What is the distinction between dead man and living man? That you have to understand. You cannot make experiment why the body is dead. But you can understand when you touch Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita says,

dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
tatha dehantara-praptir
dhiras tatra na muhyati
[Bg. 2.13]

Dhirah, those who are actually learned, sober, he is not agitated by the death of a man because he knows that the soul has now changed this body to another body, just like he was changing from child's body to baby's body, baby's body to boy's body, boy's body to youth's body, from youth to old man's body. Now, from this old man's body, now the body cannot be used. Vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya [Bg. 2.22]. Just like old garments we give up and take another garment, similarly, so long we are in the material world, we accept another material body. This is called transmigration of soul, death and birth. But when you are liberated from this conditioned life -- you are fit for going to the spiritual world in your spiritual body -- that is perfection of life. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. That is wanted. That is wanted. You give up this body. Don't accept any more any material body, either Indra's body, Brahma's body, or the body of the worm of the stool. You can have any body, according to your mentality. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]. Your body, are you making now. So at the time of death, the condition of your mind will transfer you with mind, intelligence, subtle body. They are seeing that this gross body's finished, but they cannot see that there is another body which is made of mind, intelligence and ego. That is called subtle body. That will be explained, next verse.

So this knowledge... So people are simply mad after this material enjoyment. He does not know that this material body is temporary. It is for a certain years only. But you are eternal. Just try to understand what is your eternal business. Why you are so much mad after this temporary business? That is stated in the Srimad-Bhag...

nunam pramattah kurute vikarma
yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti
na sadhu manye yata atmano 'yam
asann api klesada asa dehah
[SB 5.5.4]

Klesada. This material body is klesada. Klesada means always giving us trouble, always giving. Klesada asa. So one should always remember that "I have got this material body, which is suffering heat, cold, matra, sukha, duhkha, happiness, distress." Why? Because this material body...

matra-sparsas tu kaunteya
agamapayino 'nityas
tams titiksasva bharata

So long you have this material body, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhih, then... Material world means suffering. You cannot avoid suffering. But the endeavor is how to get out of suffering. That is called struggle for existence.

So you cannot get out of it so long you do not stop acceptance of another material body. That is called real liberation, no more accepting material body. Therefore Bhagavata says that "These madmen..." Nunam pramattah. Pramattah. Mattah means mad, and pra means prakrsta-rupena, sufficiently mad. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. There are karma, vikarma and akarma. So one should know. Vikarma means criminal activities. Just like so many people are acting criminally simply to get money, as if money will save him. If he acts criminally, simply sinful activities, and by such, he is punished to get another body which is sinful, papa-yoni, then what is, how his money will save him? No, that cannot save. Just like if you have become criminal and you are arrested by the state. Suppose you are millionaires. Your money will save you? No. That will not save. But they... For money they are doing all sorts of sinful activities. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad... [SB 5.5.4]. Why they are doing? Yad indriya-prita... Simply for sense gratification, that's all. Only benefit is sense gratification. Yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti.

Therefore Rsabhadeva, na sadhu manye: "Don't do this. Oh, it is not good." Why not good? Na sadhu manye yato atmano 'yam asann api. You have got this material body, suffering, although it is temporary, but you have got this. So don't do this. Don't do anything that you get another material body. That is perfection of life. That is Krsna consciousness.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 7.4 -- Bombay, February 19, 1974

Friday, May 6, 2011

Current analysis of Pakistan US situation

Josh Hawley May 7, 2011-

The United States has known they have a problem with Pakistan ever since Abdul Qaddeer Khan, along with his cohorts, began proliferating Pakistani nuclear technology through the Saudis to Libya, Iran, North Korea, and confirmed efforts to bring the technology to Iraq.

With the Chinese coming out urging worldwide support for Islamabad, the United States has more reason to incite the Indians against Pakistan. The Chinese have taken a very firm stance backing Pakistan. China has gone so far as to indicate that it would not support the release of the Mumbai terrorists to Indian authorities in support of Pakistan. China has the weight to move Washington, with 2.85 trillion in currency reserves, and a huge trade deficit with the US they can afford flex their power. Chinese military technology is waxing bright. The US has good reason to worry about a conflict with Pakistan that would involve China. With the advancement of the so called carrier killer missiles, the US is a sitting duck in a naval involved conflict with Pakistan, which would be inevitable. The US took the impractical course of building its entire Afghanistan base supply line through Pakistan. This demands a huge naval support fleet for an extended Afghan based ground attack on Pakistan. It has been reported by British intelligence that they suspected that China assisted Pakistan in the development of its Nuclear program. This could be another reason for China's support of Pakistan, if Pakistan's complete nuclear program were to come to light, under the scrutiny of the American's, China could find itself implicated in nuclear proliferation.

This leaves the US at this point with practically no choice but to incite the Indians into an open conflict with Pakistan. The likely hood of a major false flag or real terrorist attack taking place on Indian soil at this point in time is much more likely than a major attack taking place in the US or Europe. However the desperation of the US to keep its control over world affairs might in fact dictate an all options policy including false flags in the US and Europe. Such a false flag attack in the US or Europe will only serve to destabilize US public cohesion, and lead to further internal instability. A direct US led attack on Pakistan involving the Chinese would end badly for the American's and they realize this. They therefore must involve the Indians, and that will not be hard to do after another Mumbai style attack or worse. India has a long standing rightful distrust of Pakistan, and this mistrust fueled by the Americans will quickly lead to open conflict.

Russian perturbation is increasingly exacerbated by US policy in regards to Libya, which now involves looting that sovereign nation's funds to support the rebellion factions. Surprisingly the US is backing known Al Qaeda members in its bid to overthrow Qaddafi. Russia is concerned about the US NATO European missile shield and has blocked the US in its attempt the build the defense system. This clearly indicates a build up in the Russians minds towards a large scale conflict involving the Europeans and NATO forces. Instead of capitalizing on the Soviet collapse, and integrating Russia, US led NATO never really changed its cold war stance toward Russia even after the collapse of the Soviet Union to; "keep the Russians out". The Russians are rightly concerned about US intention in Europe as well as the Middle East including especially Afghanistan and Pakistan. US dis-regard for international law as well as any opposition voice grows more flagrant day by day.
The likely hood of Russia joining China in its support for Pakistan is high. The open war between Pakistan and India will no doubt precipitate Russian involvement in the conflict leading to a wider war between Russia and the US.

United States has made the mistake of allowing its foreign policy to over run its domestic policy. This imperialist agenda is an extension of British banking monetary control over the United States. This has created a massive instability within the United States, and is practically bound to lead to greater domestic insecurity and potential wide scale political and economic unrest. Their is increasing disparity between states and the federal government. This disparity of the states could lead to internal conflict and open unrest up to the point of civil war between the states and the federal government. We believe the ultimate goal is to completely bankrupt the United States and reduce its influence to a solely military arm of British banking policy, which it largely already is. The United States federal government under the weight of its massive debt has little option but to comply with the bankers agenda. The complete reduction of the United States into the military/police state it is being set up to be, will also mean the eradication of the American free market system and the collapse of the dollar. America is being reshaped as an exclusively militaristic arm of the British Crown through debt to the British banking system.

The United States has made the bizarre move to ensure that its own military will be increasingly weakened morally by allowing the open recruit of homosexuals. This lack of principle at the head of US military leadership is practically guaranteed to lead the destruction of US hegemony which is only backed by its military. At this point in time the only strength the US carries is its increasingly frayed military. And with an increasingly ethically and morally weakened military it can only continue to make mistakes. Mistakes that will inevitably lead to World War III, (which will be nuclear), and the collapse of the American empire and Western Civilization as we know it.

Pakistan gets the backing of China against the Indians

With the Chinese coming out urging support for Islamabad, the United States has more reason to incite the Indians against Pakistan. The Chinese have taken a very firm stance backing Pakistan. China has gone so far as to indicate that it would not support the release of the Mumbai bombings terrorists to Indian authorities.

Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Bin Laden's Death; The Major Precussor to World War III?

Josh Hawley 2011-

While the world momentarily breathes a sigh of relief at the death of the world's worst terrorist Osama bin Laden, there appears on the horizon a greater terror not yet realized. The prospect of World War III now looms even more imminent.

The greatest saint in modern living history A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, in the 1970's extensively spoke about and predicted, that world war three would ultimately foment between Pakistan and India, at the behest of the Americans.

With the apparently glaring and supposed deliberate ISI intelligence breakdown regarding the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, it markedly appears, that Pakistan was at some level or another supporting Bin Ladin. Bin Laden appears to have been hiding in plain sight just 90 miles from Islamabad in an affluent area of Abbottabad under the unofficial protection of Pakistan.
This smacks hard in the face of American-Pakistan relations, and no doubt will lead to a major reassessment in the public sphere of just exactly who The United States' real enemies are. After the celebrations and jubilation dies down you can bet American intelligence agencies, and American official policy in relation to Pakistan is going to take a major turn.

Pakistan has long been the bastion of radical Islamic extremism in the region and perhaps the world. India has suffered long at the numerous terrorist attacks that have originated in Pakistan. And Pakistanis are themselves subject to far too many civilian terrorist attacks from extremist elements within Pakistan. Pakistan in fact could be said to be much more dangerous than Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, and especially Afghanistan, for unlike these nations Pakistan is a confirmed nuclear state. Pakistan does posses a nuclear bomb. Perhaps this is the deterrent keeping the Americans from invading Pakistan for so long. And perhaps this is the real reason for the buildup in Afghanistan. Afghanistan with its newly built American bases will serve as an excellent launching point for the inevitable full scale war against Pakistan that looms.

India has long been pointing the finger at Pakistan, and released the following statement just after the death of Bin Laden was announced: "The killing of Osama bin Laden near Islamabad is proof that "terrorists belonging to different organisations find sanctuary in Pakistan", -Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram says.
According to the Indian government, 19 terrorists wanted by India currently reside in Pakistan. India squarely blames the Pakistani based terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba for the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. United States intelligence was for a long time lacking in this region of the world. The United States was admittedly caught off guard in 1998 when India made its second nuclear test since 1972 "Operation Shakti" and Pakistan followed a few months later with five nuclear devices code-named "Chagai-I".
The US CIA admitted at the time that it did not have intelligence on either of these nuclear operations either by Pakistan or India.
This must have sent shivers down the spines of senior American military and intelligence leadership.

It now appears that destabilization of the region starting first with Iraq, and Afghanistan was a long standing plan to make the potential war with Pakistan a less consuming affair. Iraq with its former leadership would have most likely joined Pakistan against the United States, as would Syria, Libya, and Iran. So the military and intelligence actions in the region serve the United States long term interest of taking out the Pakistani nuclear state. At this point Iran remains the only link in the cog to be taken out before the United States allied with India launches full scale, 'all options' war on Pakistan.

As details emerge about the United States knowledge of the whereabouts of Bin Laden going back as far as 2002, it appears that the operation to take him out was selected on the basis of a much larger plan leading up to full scale war with Pakistan. Or perhaps those old world tactics (couriers) are still much more effective than all of the modern gadgetry that billions and trillions of dollars can buy. In which case the United States is hugely underestimating the kind of war it will be getting itself into. It won't work to simply 'bomb them back into the stoneage'. In order to effectively bomb them back into the ston-eage, huge civilian population centers will have to be devastated. This will not sit well with public opinion anywhere in the world. Once the US makes the choice to go nuclear the whole thing will spin out of control.

Unfortunately for the world this war with Pakistan will be the ultimate undoing of modern civilization as we currently know it. For this will undoubtedly lead to World War III. We know that the US has been building its new alliances for many years, and no doubt the Europeans will come out in full support of the United States and India. This war will without a doubt go nuclear and India (the second most populous nation on Earth) will suffer massive losses. Russia and China will not be able to avoid being drawn in and will most likely go the side of Pakistan and the other Middle Eastern countries. The regional instabilities of Southeast Asia as well as the Korean peninsula will quickly spill over and erupt into the larger scale conflict. The same will be true for the long standing conflicts already erupting in the former European colonies of Africa and the Sub-Suhara. The United States has long been undermined from within, and is practically on the brink of internal collapse, a possible civil war may emerge within the American States further adding to the chaos.

The United States and Russia have long been the equalizing agents in staying off a nuclear war. Once the United States goes nuclear their will be virtually no reason for the other eight nuclear powers (including Israel) to refrain from nuclear action. This will result in unprecedented devastation and loss of life all over the planet.

So rejoice while you can, because this is nothing more than a brief respite in an increasingly escalating war that will wipe out huge numbers of population all over the planet.

Sunday, May 1, 2011

Journey of Self Discovery 6.5

Slaughterhouse Civilization
Jyotirmayi-devi dasi: That priest who visited was telling you that he was asking all his parishioners to follow God's law. So you asked him if he was going to get them to follow the fifth commandment, the law against killing--including animal-killing and especially cow-killing.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, this is our proposal: "Why should you kill the cow? Let the cow be protected." You can take the cow's milk and use this milk for making so many nutritious, delicious preparations. Aside from that, as far as meat-eating is concerned, every cow will die--so you just wait a while, and there will be so many dead cows. Then you can take all the dead cows and eat. So how is this a bad proposal? If you say, "You are restraining us from meat-eating"--no, we don't restrain you. We simply ask you, "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you can eat it."
Yogesvara dasa: You've pointed out that the cow is just like a mother.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. She gives us her milk.
Yogesvara dasa: But in the West now, when their parents grow old the people generally send them away to old age homes. So if people have no compassion even toward their own parents, how can we educate them to protect the cow?
Srila Prabhupada: They don't have to protect the cow. We shall protect the cow. Simply we ask them, "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after her death." Where is the difficulty?
Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami: Not enough meat fast enough--they're eating so much meat.
Srila Prabhupada: "Not enough"? By killing the cows, how will you get any more meat? The total number of cows will remain the same. Simply wait for their natural death. That is the only restriction. You have got a limited number of cows. Either you wait for their death or you kill them at once--the number of cows is the same. So we simply ask you, "Don't kill them. Wait for their natural death and then take the meat." What is the difficulty? And we simply ask you, "As long as they're alive, let us take the cow's milk and prepare delicious foods for the whole human society."
Yogesvara dasa: If people don't kill the cows they will have even more meat, because that way the cows will have more time to reproduce more cows. If they don't kill the cows right away, there will be even more cows.
Srila Prabhupada: More cows, yes. They'll have more cows. We simply request, "Don't kill. Don't maintain slaughterhouses." That is very sinful. It brings down very severe karmic reactions upon society. Stop these slaughterhouses. We don't say, "Stop eating meat." You can eat meat, but don't take it from the slaughterhouse, by killing. Simply wait, and you'll get the carcasses.
After all, how long will the cows live? Their maximum age is twenty years, and there are many cows who live only eighteen, sixteen, or ten years. So wait that much time; then regularly get dead cows and eat. What is the difficulty?
For the first few years you may not get quite as much as now. During that time you can eat some dogs and cats. [Laughter.] Yes. In Korea they eat dogs. What is the difference between here and Korea? You can also eat dogs for the time being. Or hogs. Eat hogs. We don't prohibit the killing of these less important animals. We neither sanction nor prohibit. But especially we request cow protection, because it is ordered by Lord Krsna. Go-raksya: "Protect the cows." That is our duty.
And economically, also, it is very useful. Krsna has not recommended this for nothing; it is not like that. Krsna's order has meaning. The cows on our Hare Krsna farms are giving more milk than other cows--because they are confident, "We will not be killed here." It is not like these rascals, these so-called Christians, say: "They have no soul; they have no intelligence." They have intelligence. In other places they do not give so much milk. But on our farms they are very jolly. As soon as the devotees call, they'll come. Yes--just like friends. And they are confident, "We'll not be killed." So they are jubilant, and they are giving much milk. Yes.
In Europe and America the cows are very good, but the cow-killing system is also very good. So you stop this. You simply request them, "You'll get the cow's flesh. As soon as she is dead, we shall supply you free of charge. You haven't got to pay so much money. You can get the flesh free and eat it then. Why are you killing? Stop these slaughterhouses." What is wrong with this proposal?
We don't want to stop trade or the production of grains and vegetables and fruit. But we want to stop these killing houses. It is very, very sinful. That is why all over the world they have so many wars. Every ten or fifteen years there is a big war--a wholesale slaughterhouse for humankind. But these rascals--they do not see it, that by the law of karma, every action must have its reaction.
You are killing innocent cows and other animals--nature will take revenge. Just wait. As soon as the time is right, nature will gather all these rascals and slaughter them. Finished. They'll fight amongst themselves--Protestants and Catholics, Russia and America, this one and that one. It is going on. Why? That is nature's law. Tit for tat. "You have killed. Now you kill yourselves."
They are sending animals to the slaughterhouse, and now they'll create their own slaughterhouse. [Imitating gunfire:] Tung! Tung! Kill! Kill! You see? Just take Belfast, for example. The Roman Catholics are killing the Protestants, and the Protestants are killing the Catholics. This is nature's law. It's not necessary that you be sent to the ordinary slaughterhouse. You'll make a slaughterhouse at home. You'll kill your own child--abortion. This is nature's law. Who are these children being killed? They are these meat-eaters. They enjoyed themselves when so many animals were killed, and now they're being killed by their mothers. People do not know how nature is working. If you kill, you must be killed. If you kill the cow, who is your mother, then in some future lifetime your mother will kill you. Yes. The mother becomes the child, and the child becomes the mother.Mam sa khadatiti mamsah. The Sanskrit word is mamsa. Mam means "me," and sa means "he." I am killing this animal; I am eating him. And in my next lifetime he'll kill me and eat me. When the animal is sacrificed, this mantra is recited into the ear of the animal--"You are giving your life, so in your next life you will get the opportunity of becoming a human being. And I who am now killing you will become an animal, and you will kill me." So after understanding this mantra, who will be ready to kill an animal?

Some Hemp Facts

Here are some facts about hemp:

• Over 20,000 modern day products can be made from hemp

• Hemp produces 4 times as much ethanol per acre as corn

• Plastics made from hemp are biodegradable

• Hemp is the #1 producer of biomass per acre in the world, up to 10 tons per acre in four months

• 1 acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4 acres of trees, 2 crops of hemp can be grown annually

• The USDA states “the waste product from making canvas, rope and linen from cannabis hemp bast fiber, this waste product, the hurd fiber, is more than 4 times more productive than trees for fiber production for paper and building materials.”

• Hemp seed is the most complete food source containing all 8 essential amino acids, the essential fatty acids, as well as fibre, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals needed to sustain human life

• Hemp produces the strongest, most durable natural soft-fiber on Earth

• Most industrialized countries legally grow hemp

• The United States imports all the hemp used in American consumed products, an industry worth over $300 million in retail sales annually

• The DEA spends over $10 million dollars annually to eradicate feral “ditchweed” in America

• The “ditchweed” growing across the farmlands of America are the strong heirloom crops of our ancestors and remnants of the crops grown for the
war effort during WWII. A film called “Hemp For Victory” was produced by the USDA to promote hemp farming during WWII, watch it below:

• These same heirloom “ditchweed” seeds were once protected by armed military guards and considered a national treasure

• Hemp was used as legal tender in America from 1631 until the early 1800s, you could pay your taxes with hemp

• The first hemp laws in America were “must grow laws” and required colonists to grow hemp

• Until the 1800′s most of the textile and paper products were made from hemp

• Humans have been cultivating and using hemp industrially for around 10,000 years

• Relatively drought-resistant and it’s high protein seed has been relied upon several times through history during drought-induced famine

• Hemp stabilizes and enriches soil, and reduces weeds without chemical applications

• Hemp was planted around Chernobyl to remove toxins and heal the soil —”Hemp is proving to be one of the best phyto-remediative plants we have
been able to find”

“Why use up the forest which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and
mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields “
- Henry Ford

“Hemp is of the first necessity to the wealth and protection of the country “
- Thomas Jefferson

“Make the most you can of the Indian Hempseed and sow it everywhere”
- George Washington